Pursuing a college degree may not be for everyone, but finishing what we start is one of the most essential ingredients of success. This week, first-generation college student Dr. Michael Brown shares the studio with professional saxophonist Mike Williams in a conversation about grit, gumption, and going the distance.

Sometimes living an extraordinary life requires us to make choices that aren’t quite normal. This week, Dr. Michael Brown and saxophonist Mike Williams discuss creativity, career changes, and walking the line between faith and wisdom.